In today’s episode of Child Safety Source, we’re speaking with Cori Myka. This is the 56th time that Life Saver Pool Fence’s president, Eric Lupton, has spoken with a water safety expert. Cori has dedicated her life to keeping people safe from harm through swimming lessons. What’s more, she also worked with Melon Dash, one of our previous guests.
Getting to Know Cori Myka
Throughout her life, water safety has driven Cori Myka. She began her swim teaching career at the young age of 14, when she volunteered at a local pool in her native Southern California community. In 1999, she and her husband, Bruce, co-founded Orca Swim School.
As we mentioned earlier, Cori also worked with Melon Dash, with whom she learned Miracle Swimming for adults who are fearful of swimming. The Miracle Swimming system uses the nuts and bolts of mindfulness to address the root of the problem and will transform the way a person feels and thinks about water for the rest of their life. In short, the lessons focus on showing students how to remain calm, cool and collected by implementing the Miracle Swimming system method called “the five circles” into the learning process.
In 2004, Cori became one of the first people certified to teach this breakthrough method of swim instruction. It has shaped the focus of her business and ignited her passion for teaching adults to swim, especially those with a fear of water.
Learn all about Cori’s mission by viewing the full video interview:
About Orca Swim School
Now that you’ve met Cori Myka, let’s take a moment to learn about Orca Swim School. The truth is, many adults do not know how to swim. To make matters worse, they often feel too embarrassed to take the lessons required to learn. At Orca Swim School, Cori and her team focus on helping adult swimmers who may have previously experienced a trauma or problem while in the water. Ultimately, the curriculum emphasizes the learning process itself. Simply put, Orca Swim School does not only concentrate on teaching swimming technique. Cori Myka and her team also show their students how to remain composed in the water, while being mindful and present.
To learn more about Orca Swim School, please visit its official website.
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Below is a direct transcript of the Child Safety Source interview with Cori Myka from February 5th, 2019:
Eric Lupton: And boom, like that, we are live on the Internet. How’s it going?
Cori Myka: Okay. Hi.
Eric: We made it.
Cori: Yay.
Eric: So, we’ve previously had on probably the coolest name of any person I’ve had on the podcast before, Melon Dash and she was amazing. I really enjoyed talking to her. And if I’m right, do you work with her? What is your relationship with Melon?
Cori: Well, my relationship with Melon. We do work together, I have had a swim school for 20 years. It’s our 20th anniversary this year and I met Melon back at a US swim school, a conference and she was giving a talk there and I had some adults, students I could get them to swim across the pool and I’d say, how was it? And they would say, “I have no idea”. And I thought, well that’s weird, they’re doing everything I’m telling them what to do and I went to this conference and she was giving a talk on adult swimming and I thought, oh my gosh, she knows what’s wrong with happening with these adults. And so I met her afterwards and I got trained in her method and then we’ve been working together since then cause I’ve been teaching the miracle swimming method, but then also I’ve come back to learn to train teachers and so we’ve worked together quite a bit on that kind of project. And you know, I’ve done some teaching for her swim school and she’s come out to my swim school. And so we’ve had a, a nice professional relationship like that.
Eric: That’s awesome. So you know, in the bio you have is as you started at 14 years old.
Cori: Well, I started teaching swimming at 14. Yes. I was one of those, you know pool rat kids who just always wanted to be at the pool. And so you know, I saw a little description in the community center, a page that said they took volunteers so I started volunteering, ride my bike down to the pool and spent all summer volunteering when I was probably 12 and 13. Well maybe 13 and 14. I think you could get your first life guarding certificate at 15. So I think I started getting paid at 15. So yeah, it’s been what I’ve been doing for a very long time.
Eric: So, if you started at 14, so roughly eight years.
Cori: Sure. Yeah.
Eric: So was this always the plan? Did you know then that this is what you were going to do for your career? Did you take a sidetrack somewhere else or,
Cori: yeah, no, I didn’t know it was going to be my career of course it was the job that I worked every summer when I was through high school and college because, you know, once you have a job at a summer pool, they want you to come back. It’s easy for everybody. So I did that. And then after college I moved to Seattle, for a volunteer position. It was kind of like a domestic peace corps, you know, so I was a full time volunteer for a year and so once I finish that, you know, I needed a job, I needed money. And so going back to pool work was the easiest, fastest thing. Well, I kind of figured out what was next. And the pool that I got a job at, they had a warm water therapy pool and so I got a job, they had a warm water therapy pool plus a regular lap pool. And that was really my first exposure to water therapy of that type. And I figured I would probably go back to school and get my occupational therapy and do water therapy. That seemed like a really good avenue. But in the interim, I met my husband and we decided to try out opening our own swim school. And then the rest is history.
Eric: Did you always have entrepreneurial tendencies or was that something different?
Cori: That’s an interesting question that I’d never thought about before because I guess I never really thought of myself as an entrepreneur it just seemed like the logical thing to do, you know, it was following something that was fun and I was good at and it really probably was later that I realized, Oh yeah, this is being an entrepreneur but I when I think about as a kid, I definitely was always the self-starter. I mean even that going to do the volunteer job, I know a lot of parents would like tell their kids, you need to go out and do something or, you know and my parents never had to tell me that, you know, I have always been a self-starter in that kind of way. I think. So that might be an entrepreneur spirit.
Eric: Yeah. I’ve always thought that it’s kind of built in, you know, when I was a kid at 12,13 I started me and a friend of mine we’re in the magic. So I, you know, he was doing magic and I decided that clearly what you do next is you pronounced flyers and you go door to door and you knock on all your neighbor’s doors and get them to hire you doing magic shows, you know? And I was always starting clubs and then I started a web design company at 16. So yeah, I think that for people like us, it’s kind of built in.
Cori: Yeah. Yeah.
Eric: And is that true of your husband also? Was he like that?
Cori: Yeah. I mean, I guess, yeah, it’s just so interesting. I, I mean he still works in the business, but it’s not as primary work anymore, he’s been a firefighter for a number of years now and we really looked at that profession because, I mean, it’s something he’d been interested in. It’s still in the lifesaving area in terms of work. but, you know, it fit for our family so he could still be a part of the business and he could really be a full time dad still, you know, because of the way you have to work is, so is he an entrepreneur? I mean it’s definitely also a, a self-starter and a projector and and things like that and doesn’t necessarily, I was going to say it doesn’t necessarily like to follow all the rules in the box, but I know he followed the rules in the box when it comes to his job now in terms of the safety stuff. But yeah, but he is always looking for new ways and different things and being creative with what he does. Certainly
Eric: I feel like a firefighter is kind of as the perfect job for somebody who’s also looking to have a business either with a partner or on the side. You see that a lot because of the shift work and you know, it also lends an air of credibility if you’re doing something in the safety field. So it makes it makes a lot of sense.
Cori: Yes. Yes it does. Yeah. And it just gosh, I mean this is a random thought. I just keep thinking about, I don’t know why I keep thinking about this guy, but you know, we take our job with us wherever we go when we’re on vacation. I mean I’d seen that man make rescues many times you know, because we take vacations around the water and I have my ears perked up to danger around the water, but he does certainly as well. And yeah, just making rescues. We’ve made an arrests just last summer, made a rescue of a guy at a lake up in Canada that, you know, he would not have lived it had we not been there. I don’t think there was anybody else there who knew what to do.
Eric: What happen?
Cori: It was at a national park in Canada and hot day at a beach and there was a family that came in,I mean there was several families, but this family and they were lots of boys, lots of men, young men doing that kind of jocular Tz sort of thing, you know, of I’m going to throw you in. And I looked at them and I said to my husband, I said, well, which one then, because you know, this family can’t swim. I mean, we could see it. But of course we’re attracted to the water and it feels good and it’s you know, cooling place and beautiful on all those things. All those reasons we’d go to the water, but especially because I’ve worked with adults so much, I can see it when people are afraid and don’t know, really don’t understand how it works.
But one guy was going to be brave and make it from here to there. And you know, he was by the fact that he thought he could get to a certain destination and which is never a good idea cause destinations are never, you know, the distance that you think they are or it just, it relies on the idea that safety is somewhere outside of yourself and ensuring that my husband happened to be out on the dock, I was up on the shore with the kids and I looked over, I’m like, why is Bruce getting in? Oh, because he’s swimming out to rescue this guy. Yeah. And other people recognize it was a problem, but he was a big guy. And knowing how to rescue somebody and not becoming a victim yourself, there’s very few people who know how to do that. That’s a very specific skill.
Eric: so in this case, the victim and probably his friends realized he was in trouble.
Cori: Yes. Well the victim knew he was in trouble. His friends, he was also, as it turned out there were some boats on a doc, so he was behind those boats. So his family from shore couldn’t even necessarily see him. It was just the people who are out on the dock who could see him. And because he’d been kind of goofing around, they thought he was being a little dramatic or something like that. And which is why I think it’s having the ability to know the difference between being dramatic and needing help by the time somebody else might have really recognized this guy’s going under it might’ve been re, you know, too late. So yeah, it was pretty, yeah, I was thankful we were there.
Eric: There is a great story in the article written by Mario Vytone where he describes a family, went out on a boat charter for the day and there were swimming in the ocean and the boat captain all of a sudden jumped off the boat and swim towards the family. And he push the parents out of the way who looked at him and said, “what are you doing?” You know, they were offended that he was pushing past them. And then he reached over and grabbed their kid and yanked him out of the water who was drowning right next to them. And what they didn’t see you was that he was drowning and he realized it because he was familiar with it. You knew when driving really look like you’d obviously he lived on the water and the parents who were right next to the kid didn’t have the same ability to spot that drowning.
And you know it’s true that most of the time, just like your, you know, the guys that story, it’s hard to figure out what’s wrong. It looks like it doesn’t look like what you see on Baywatch. It doesn’t see what you see on TV with people yelling and screaming. It’s very different. Yeah. It’s usually that, that vertical, you know, doggy paddle kind of deal or arms out to the side. So, yeah it’s interesting how people take for granted that they might not realize what it actually looks like when someone’s in trouble.
Cori: Yeah. It could make it a little bit of like I used to do triathlons but and not like big time, high competitive, but just for fun. And I find them uncomfortable to do because of the number of people they know how to do the strokes. They can do a front crawl but they are not comfortable. And I can see it and I can feel those early, early signs that they are getting their safety on being able to get to shore and not because they understand how the water holds them, not because they understand how to be calm with themselves and it shows up in the water. And so I ended up spending most of my looking around checking on people. So its like okay I can’t do this. Yeah.
Eric: Raises up your blood pressure. So, talk about the idea of safety being within yourself as opposed to something outside yourself. Because you’ve, you’ve touched on that twice and I think that’s an interesting thought.
Cori: Yeah. Well, we really understand safety. The biggest danger in the water is panic if you lose it and this is why you see, when somebody drowns, people will stay. They were a good anything, well, if they were a good swimmer, why did this happen? I mean, there’s certainly things like being injured on the way in maybe, or drugs or, or carbon monoxide poisoning, things like that. But, if you think about sort of any situation and they say, you know, if something surprising happens or something unexpected happens, the first thing you want to do is don’t panic. Right. And because when you panic, you lose control and this then puts people at risk for doing things like saying, well I, my safety is if I can get to a certain destination. But if that destination is far, then I’m sorry, Okay.{Disruption} There we go. Okay.
Eric: You talking about people putting safety into destination.
Cori: So that if you’re seeing a destination, you aren’t present to what’s happening right now and then you can’t be in right now and you have to be in charge of what’s happening right now for things like, well, I would like to get some air or well, I wish I was at the shore and pulled out. Water’s still holds me up here. It’s not like the properties of the page just because I’m now further away from shore, let’s say. So you know, if we have to stay calm in those situations so you can realize, all right, well, I still float exactly the same. I still can get air in the same. And if I’m, then I can make, better our effective, lose it or focused over there on that. I just wish and I need to take care of myself right now. We mean by you have getting your safety from yourself instead of by getting over to that place.
Eric: Right. That makes perfect sense, you know? But of course, you know, yeah, not panicking is easier said than done, right. Nobody wants to panic it was a couple of things to do in those situations
Cori: And, that’s where we teach that first. And we say that’s really your most important skill. That’s your foundational skill, is how does that work? And then you can build your other physical skills from there.
Eric: So I mean, that’s a good life skill in general. So how do you encourage people not to panic? How do you teach that?
Cori: Yeah, so I mean, first of all, we recognize that it’s a thing, right? And we talk about it. Um, if when people don’t talk about it and don’t recognize it, things that you don’t talk about or recognize, you can’t be in charge of, you know, so we really bring this up at the forefront. Okay, and it explains in terms of adults, it explains their experiences. And so that helps them have a new understanding. And then we teach them about how to recognize within themselves, okay, this is what it feels like to be calm. All right. I know that feeling. And then to be able to recognize this is what it feels like when I start to leave calm, right? There’s stages usually. And so, okay, I’m starting to leave calm and I want to make it my priority to come before I’ve gone too far down the line.
Eric: Right?
Cori: And it’s really about a mindfulness or paying attention and so it’s about bringing your attention back to yourself and back to the present. Our mind, our brain will tell us to worry about the future or to think about what happened in the past, but we really have to be in the right now. So there’s lots of different practices that do that. You know, Yoga will do that. And there’s other mindful trainings, meditation, they’ll do that. So it’s very similar to those sorts of things, but we put it into the practice of being in the water and make that as your foundational thing. Okay. Because when people are certainly adults who’ve had a negative experience, when they get in the water, they already start to leave calm. And so they’re already on that road to danger. And we want them to be able to recognize that. And okay, my job is really to come back to calm. And I got to practice that by feeling my body. Am I feeling my physical body right now? Feeling what’s feels safe and what feels good and really being in that practice the whole time that you’re in the water.
Eric: So what was so revolutionary about Melon Dash’s system for you?
Cori: it was really this piece that it’s the piece of focusing on where people are on this spectrum versus focusing on how to move their arms and legs.
Eric: And she uses the Circles right?
Cori: Yes. She calls it the five circles method.
Eric: I love that.
Cori: so that’s, yeah, and that’s the illustration that she has come up with to illustrate this spectrum in this way of being. And it’s really an illustration based on things that we use in our daily language. You know, that we go from being calm, which is centered and present at home to, we’ve lost it, if it’s circle we’re out of ourselves we’re gone. So have language that we use all the time that describes this illustration that she has of the five circles.
Eric: So for anybody who hasn’t seen that episode, can you explain that idea of the five circles?
Cori: Yeah. So the first circle its a little stick figure. I was just looking around at that a piece of paper. It’s a little stick figure and it’s literally drawing a circle around that stick figure that goes all the way to their feet and around their head encompasses your whole body. And this is where we are most of the time in life where we say your physical self, which is the stick figure and your nonphysical self, which is the circle are together. And we call it being grounded or at home. And then the second circle or the second illustration, again, we have the little stick figure, but the circle is moving up a little bit and we say things like, we have cold feet or we’re weak in the knees, the feet are sticking out of the circle. And then the third circle, the illustration, the circles moving up even higher. So it’s up to about your chest area where we say things like we have butterflies in our stomach or cold and clammy hands, things like this. This is really a place where we are not functioning as well anymore. Right? If you think about doing anything, when you get to that stage where you’ve got butterflies in your stomach, you can still think about things and you’re still interacting, but your quality of what you’re doing has significantly diminished. And when we’re learning the swimming, we don’t ever want to get to that place because how then does it make any sense to be saying, kick your feet or move your arms if you’re not in control of it anymore and then the fourth circle we say it’s up to your chin and so that one will you say you’re paralyzed with fear that you’re just not even attached to the rest of your body. And I always say for that one, when I was a kid, I’d have a bad dream and I’d want to run to my parents’ bed, but I just couldn’t because I was paralyzed with fear. And then the fifth circle, it’s outside of you that’s total panic; where we say we’ve lost it. We’re beside ourselves. People don’t have memory in that kind of situation because it seemed safer to leave the body than it did to stay for whatever was going on. Whatever bad thing was happening.
Eric: Well, they’re literally out of their mind.
Cori: Yeah. They’re out of their mind. Yup. And it’s a way, excuse me, it’s a normal human thing that we do this. You could think of it as fight or flight it’s a way that we, we leave as a way to protect ourselves from something really bad happening .But unfortunately, I think the risk, oh, sorry.
Eric: No, I was gonna say it makes perfect sense and I think everybody is kind of experienced that. So it’s a really unique way of thinking about, you know, the escalating levels of nervousness and anxiety in a way where you can identify it, you can kind of put a finger on it, you know, assign yourself to the level where you’re at and you know, knowing something is happening, certainly the first step in regaining control over it.
Cori: Yeah. Yeah. And that when we look at learning to swim in the water is just, it’s so pivotal. I think about, I have a student recently that I was going to interview her later today to get her story, one of our teachers, they were friends and she convinced her to come take our class and she said, “yeah, when I came to the first day of class, I thought, okay, well I’m going to go to class so I can learn how to drowned calmly”. That was her, like her little statement. And of course she didn’t learn how to drown, she learned how to swim, but she also learned how to be calm. And she’s done such a great job. She’s actually going on vacation later this month to the Philippines. And one of the things that are going to do is they’re going to swim.
There’s some islands. The only way you can get to him is to swim to them. And she showed me pictures of them and they’re amazing and beautiful and it’s really neat to see that she’s going to be able to do that. But her wife who has always been a good swimmer, she said, “this particular woman, she’s also going to do a swim across Lake Washington with me in the summer” And she nervous for her. She said, “I don’t know if it’s a good idea for you to be in the middle of the lake”. And, and she says, “what are you going to do if you get a cramp or what are you going to do if you get tired?” And she said, “well what do you mean it’s going to be fine cause I’ve had a cramp before and because I know how to be calm, I was able to figure out what to do and I just calmly, you know, stretched it out and you know, stopped swimming across”. In this case it was across the pool. “But I just stopped swimming and I stretched and I waited and I breathed and it was fine”.
Cori: And I said, “I think what’s going on here is that you now understand how to get your safety from yourself and your wife who has always been identified as the good swimmer She was getting her safety from destinations and she doesn’t understand how panic works in the water” And now it’s showing up that she doesn’t really understand how somebody could be safe swimming across like Washington because it’s so far and so it’s interesting how their roles have reversed.
Eric: It’s the same water whether you’re in a pool or in the middle of the lake. It’s the same idea.
Cori: right? Yes. Now I will put the caveat. Oh, I was going to say, I will put the caveat out there that you have to listen to yourself before you get into that lake to make sure that it’s a safe time of year in terms of temperature. There’s some of those things that you know are also play a factor that you have, but it’s just like you know, right now it’s snowing in Seattle and you have to decide when you open up your door, is it a good idea to go outside in a swimsuit and be out there? You know, something inside me would say, no, that’s not smart.Yeah.
Eric: It reminds me of the phenomenon where if you had a, you know, a few inch wide piece of wood, you know, you could walk across it on the floor, no problem. But if you elevated that, you know, a hundred feet in the air, it’s the same with the same piece of wood, theoretically it shouldn’t be identical, but because you’re nervous now, it’s a much bigger feet. Right now it’s a lot harder to do as a lot scarier, but even though it’s the exact same task. Right?
Cori: Yes. And you would use the same skill that we teach that you would, if you really wanted to walk across that bean, you couldn’t be paying attention to how high up it is. You’d have to bring all your focus into you and bring your presence and your calmness in and your surety and your feet. Yeah,
Eric: No, it makes it makes perfect sense. So you know, usually what we talk about is Water safety when it comes to children. But you and Melon, and I’ve come to agree with this as well, have a thought that the first step to water CP and pool safety for children is actually to teach adults how to swim.
Cori: Yeah.
Eric: And so why do adults have to learn how to swim before kids?
Cori: Well, what we have found over and over again, there’s several reasons, but one of them is what we found over and over again is that a big reason why adults don’t know how to swim is because their parents don’t know how to swim. We pass on to the next generation what our fears and concerns? You know, and people would say one way, if there’s something you’re completely terrified and you want to protect your children of it, you keep them away. So there’s a certain segment of people who will not take their kids to swimming lessons at say but there’s also people who certainly do take their kids to swimming lessons, but they take their kids to swimming lessons and they’re sitting on the side of the pool saying, “be careful. Don’t drown while you’re in there”. You know, and the kids like,” oh, I thought everything was fine. Why are you freaking out over there were, you know, pretending to not be freaking out” So these things get passed on to the children. And also kids do learn to swim in swimming lessons. But when you really talk to people, people really learn to swim because it’s the culture of their family in terms of that’s what their family does for summer vacations or, you know, I certainly know I never finished a swimming lesson as a kid myself. And I learned to swim because my parents had a backyard pool. And when we’d go over there, I’d spend six hours in the pool and playing around and figuring it out or I’d have my mom dropped me off at the public pool and I just, I played around in the water, it’s a part of our family culture and that is a huge influencer and the deep understanding of how your body and the water work together and your relationship with the water. So it really starts with the parents and kids can learn to swim and there are great programs out there that really do how to matter. But at the end of the day, it is parent’s responsibility to keep their children safe in and around the water. And if parents can’t swim, they can’t do that. They have to rely solely on what you do, you know, things, mechanical blocks to keep them away.
Eric: Sure, So obviously, like you said, “it’s important for parents to know how to swim”. What are some of the biggest influences that keeps them from learning how to swim from knowing how to swim?
Cori: Yeah. Well because they’ve had scary things happen in the past that can be one thing. There’s an inherent you get into a certain way of being in terms of our family doesn’t swim, you know, we’re just not swimmer families. Right. Or something like that. It’s just, sort of a way. Yeah. You also know as an adult if even if you haven’t had a scary incidents, you know that people die in the water. And so it’s smart and logical for an adult with an adult brain to say, this is something I need to be cautious of and you know, we have lots of things that we do in life and do I really want to tackle something that I might die doing? No, Maybe I’ll take Piano lessons instead right? I mean, you know it can be easier to avoid uncomfortable situations or, you know, things that don’t feel good. There’s other things that we’d rather do sometimes and I really feel students do end up coming because the discomfort of not knowing, of feeling like they’re missing out, a feeling like this is something that everybody else does and I want to be part of that. I feel like that’s kind of the initiator people saying, all right, it’s time. I it, I want to be in the know too. And I’m not really being fully safe by just staying away.
Eric: Is it that kind of peer pressure? Is it a vacation? What is the tipping point where someone finally picks up the phone and calls you or shows up at one of your lessons?
Cori: Yeah. I think it’s usually a culmination of things that people usually have had some things over time. They have tried to learn before and it hasn’t been successful but they just know there’s gotta be a way for me to do this and yes, I think upcoming vacations, we love taking vacations to warm tropical places. So either an upcoming vacation or maybe a vacation that was about a year ago that they are, they’re still stewing on of, Oh, I really missed out on and so they’re going to take care of it. Yeah. Or sometimes it’s, you know, just change of life. I newly retired, my kids are now older, you know, I have a little more time for myself. I want to do something for myself.
Eric: Is anxiety and panic the biggest danger in the water or is it something else?
Cori: I definitely believe that it’s anxiety and panic is the biggest danger. That’s where it all stems from because it really gets in the way of anything else. I think in Australia actually they’re campaign around riptides is something like, don’t panic, go with the flow and I want to say don’t {Am I} live on Facebook here or whatever but it’s recognizes that it’s less a problem about where you are in the water then it’s more a problem about the panicking about where you are in the water you know, when you are calm, we do this all the time. When we’re calm, we make up new steps, we make up new things come to us. And so we can figure out a lot of things that we didn’t know we could figure out when we’re calm. When we’re in panic, we’re just over reaction over reacting or we’re reacting, but we’re not receiving what the effects are to those reactions. So we can’t really do something effectively with that.
Eric: Yeah, that makes sense. So what do you guys have new coming out in 2019?
Cori: Well, something very exciting that we have {just} is we are now teaching online. So I have to staying in my what we call first circle, staying calm about it because it involves an area and that I am not great of, in terms of technology but it’s really exciting because this piece of understanding how calm works and understanding mindfulness in the water, presence in the water, these all happened through a series of conversations and through a series of self-exploration. And so we’re able to take these conversations online and then guide people and they have that exploration into their own local pool so they don’t have to come to us in Seattle or flight to Melon and in Florida or Palm Springs, she teaches in a bunch of different places. But so it’s out there so I have somebody in Vancouver, BC who’s doing it right now and at this great.
Eric: that’s really cool. So if somebody wants to sign up for that, how do they sign up for that?
Cori: Well, it’s on our website, orcaswin school.com. And it’s one of our menu items introduction, beginning and online. So there’s a link right in the website there. And we have to two classes up there. Right now we just have an introductory class and we’ve got the first piece of the beginning class up there. So we’ll be doing more as we as we develop them. So throughout the year.
Eric: Awesome. So if someone wanted to find you, your website, obviously orcaswimsschool.com. Are you on Facebook or anything like that?
Cori: Yup. Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Twitter now even…
Eric: so all Orca swim school?
Cori: Orca Swim school. Yeah.
Eric: Perfect. Well, Cori, thank you so much for doing this. This is fantastic. I really enjoyed it. Is there anything you want to like mention or let people know before we wrap it up here?
Cori: well, I think we hit on a lot of the points that I find important so I appreciate that. Yeah, so I think that that’s probably, I don’t know. I can’t think of anything off the top of my head. So…
Eric: yeah. Great. And I learned quite a bit, so I really appreciate it. So thanks again. And all right, so thanks everybody. We’ll see you guys next time and have a good one. Bye.
Cori: Okay. Bye.
